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DeSantis Deception

2022-11-11T08:14:31Z

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<blockquote>"DeSantis will superficially oppose wokeness when he is in power, but he is going to empower the corporations, financial institutions and the deep-state geopolitical agenda ... All the stuff they are pushing on children will happen under DeSantis. But he will virtue signal against it as a president ... and we will be kept distracted by war with China and DeSantis jingoist false-patriotism ... while our children are still being sexualized.

...

Trump wants to make peace with North Korea and shake hands with Kim Jong Un. There is a very stark difference between DeSantis and Trump. There is a reason DeSantis has been propped up and that the DeSantis deception is now under way.

It's a complete operation ... There is nothing anti-establishment about it, it's superficial.

He will satisfy the anti-establishment thirst of the American people ... and then he's going to get consensus for war and confrontation with China, Russia and Iran. It will be like George W. Bush 2.0 ... "Americans united against 'Muslisms' for the neoconservative agenda."

It will be a culturalized war machine.

The MAGA movement stands up against the establishment. We want to remember that.

Trump represents the working-class, DeSantis represents the ruling-class."

- Haz Al-Din, [https://youtu.be/7Oe6aCNwM3I?t=5505 "Republican Civil War Imminent" on YouTube] Nov 10, 2022</blockquote>The DeSantis deception is a term coined by the [[Infrared Collective|Infrared]] collective describing the early formation of a covert globalist operation diffusing the revolutionary potential of the MAGA movement by having DeSantis (an insider globalist propped up by moderate Liberals like Joe Rogan and Elon Musk) play surface-level posturing seemingly against [[wokeness]], but at no point truly looking to actually challenge the source: The [[deep state]] and [[Globalism|foreign globalist agenda]].

Unlike [[Donald J. Trump|Trump's]] working-class [[Partisanship|partisan]] agenda (seeking re-industrialization, and peace with China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc.) DeSantis' agenda looks to sell a war with Russia and China (enemies of the counter-offensive to the globalist agenda) by dividing patriots with the prospect of fake patriotism and synthetic neoconservatism (in similar manner of George W. Bush's "[[War Against Terror|War against terror]]".)

Patriotic Socialism

2022-10-20T04:54:48Z

2601:1C0:CE01:2A50:9C6D:BE8F:B029:7ACD: typo fixes

<blockquote>"Can a Communist, who is an internationalist, at the same time be a patriot? We hold that he not only can be but also must be."
- Quotations from Mao Tse Tung, chapter 18. Patriotism and Internationalism

"Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle"

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

"That socialism had assumed patriotic and national form is not due to the opportunism of socialists and communist parties but was part and parcel to the meaning of socialism itself"

Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America" by Infrared Collective<ref name=":0">Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America by Infrared<nowiki/>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eveOKE4Ones&t=328s</ref>

"This begs the question: What was the actual relationship between socialists and patriotism historically? What becomes immediately clear is that the track record of the 19th and especially 20th centuries show that socialists and communists have consistently been patriotic and deeply attuned to the national realities of the countries they held from ... It is only in america and those under the influence of its empire where those under this way of american exceptionalism remain dominant on the left that socialists imagine they can elevate themselves above national realities and speak on behalf of an abstract working class uprooted and estranged from its particular and national instantiation."

Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America" by Infrared Collective<ref name=":0" /></blockquote>
== "PatSoc" polemic ==
The topic of '''Patriotism and Socialism''' '''in America''' became the subject of online polemic in mid-2022, with a range of criticisms from questions around [[Patriotic Internationalism]], to claiming that one cannot be both a socialist and a patriot in America, given it's origins as a settler-colonial venture, and it's current status as [[American Imperialism|the leading imperialist power]]. The controversy resulted in the coining of a contentious term "PatSoc" (short for "Patriotic Socialist") to refer to the proponents of [[American Communism]].

American Communists hold that Communism in American should take a patriotic orientation<ref>''[https://www.midwesternmarx.com/articles/in-defense-of-us-proletarian-patriotism-a-comradely-response-to-danny-haiphongs-marxist-polemic-on-patriotic-socialism-by-kayla-popuchet In Defense of U.S. Proletarian Patriotism: A comradely response to Danny Haiphong’s “Marxist” Polemic on Patriotic Socialism]'' by [[Kayla Popuchet]] on [[Midwestern Marx]]</ref> and gain a definite [[Communism with American characteristics|national form]] as a matter of consistency with the reality of [[Marxist-Leninism|Marxist-Leninist]] tradition.
Bourgeois Socialists in the United States used the term PatSoc to sow contention among the American Left (as a [[Reactionary|reaction]] to [[MAGACommunism|political re-alignment]]) on the basis of multiple accusations:
=== Bourgeois Socialist arguments ===
==== "The Patriotism of the Oppressed" ====
A common argument among the American Left was that Socialist Patriotism could only apply to countries that were not "oppressors". Such a claim is a non-scientific and revisionist one which leaves the nation to the usurpers of the people and allows the legacy and historical reality of the masses to rot and waste. Such a view is contradictory to the true meaning of scientific socialism: the revitalization of the people while still remaining faithful to the same [[Modernity|modernity that begs the social question to begin with]].
==== Populism, Political Backwardness and Right Opportunism ====
<blockquote>"If we tried to go on the offensive when the masses are not yet awakened, that would be adventurism. If we insisted on leading the masses to do anything against their will, we would certainly fail. If we did not advance when the masses demand advance, that would be Right opportunism."
- Mao Ze Dong, A Talk to the Editorial Staff of the Shansi-Suiyuan Daily" (April 2, I948), Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 243.</blockquote>One argument was that the patriotism of the American working-class was a politically-backwards one which did not strive for cultural ideals of utopian/bourgeois socialism. Such a perspective views Socialism, not as an open-ended scientific process, but as a static one seeking to impose a universal superstructural reality upon on the particular realities of the people.<blockquote>"To link oneself with the masses, one must act in accordance with the needs and wishes of the masses. All work done for the masses must start from their needs and not from the desire of any individual, however well-intentioned. It often happens that objectively the masses need a certain change, but subjectively they are not yet conscious of the need, not yet willing or determined to make the change. In such cases, we should wait patiently. We should not make the change until, through our work, most of the masses have become conscious of the need and are willing and determined to carry it out. Otherwise we shall isolate ourselves from the masses. Unless they are conscious and willing, any kind of work that requires their participation will turn out to be a mere formality and will fail.... There are two principles here: one is the actual needs of the masses rather than what we fancy they need, and the other is the wishes of the masses, who must make up their own minds instead of our making up their minds for them.
- Mao Ze Dong, "The United Front in Cultural Work" (October 30, 1944), Selected Works, Vol. III, pp. 236-37. *</blockquote>
==== Utopian universal internationalism ====
<blockquote>"Across the rest of the world Marxist-Leninists never advocated on behalf of an abstract supranational working class nor did they preach the destruction of their own nations to berate their own people for their ostensible backwardness on the contrary marxist limited parties were successful for the precise reason that they could connect with and give body to the strivings of a concrete and determinate people other than superimposing on them foreign and abstract doctrines"
Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America" by Infrared Collective<ref name=":0" /></blockquote>
==== Accusations of Chauvinism ====
Accusations of chauvinism against American Communists were unfounded, for example claims that PatSocs were against Indigenous sovereignty.
=== Outcomes of the polemic ===
Eventually resulted in a [[MAGACommunism|political re-alignment]] and [[split with the American Left]].
== References ==
<references />

Patriotic Socialism

2022-10-20T04:49:56Z

2601:1C0:CE01:2A50:9C6D:BE8F:B029:7ACD: Expansion upon both the topic of Patriotism/Socialism as well as the Patsoc meme/polemic

<blockquote>"Can a Communist, who is an internationalist, at the same time be a patriot? We hold that he not only can be but also must be."

- Quotations from Mao Tse Tung, chapter 18. Patriotism and Internationalism

"Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle"

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

"That socialism had assumed patriotic and national form is not due to the opportunism of socialists and communist parties but was part and parcel to the meaning of socialism itself"

Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America" by Infrared Collective<ref name=":0">Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America by Infrared<nowiki/>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eveOKE4Ones&t=328s</ref>

"This begs the question: What was the actual relationship between socialists and patriotism historically? What becomes immediately clear is that the track record of the 19th and especially 20th centuries show that socialists and communists have consistently been patriotic and deeply attuned to the national realities of the countries they held from ... It is only in america and those under the influence of its empire where those under this way of american exceptionalism remain dominant on the left that socialists imagine they can elevate themselves above national realities and speak on behalf of an abstract working class uprooted and estranged from its particular and national instantiation."

Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America" by Infrared Collective<ref name=":0" /></blockquote>

== "PatSoc" polemic ==
The topic of '''Patriotism and Socialism''' '''in America''' became the subject of online polemic in mid-2022, with a range of criticisms from questions around [[Patriotic Internationalism]], to claiming that one cannot be both a socialist and a patriot in America, given it's origins as a settler-colonial venture, and it's current status as [[American Imperialism|the leading imperialist power]]. The controversy resulted in the coining of a contentious term "PatSoc" (short for "Patriotic Socialist") to refer to the proponents of [[American Communism]].

American Communists hold that Communism in American should take a patriotic orientation<ref>''[https://www.midwesternmarx.com/articles/in-defense-of-us-proletarian-patriotism-a-comradely-response-to-danny-haiphongs-marxist-polemic-on-patriotic-socialism-by-kayla-popuchet In Defense of U.S. Proletarian Patriotism: A comradely response to Danny Haiphong’s “Marxist” Polemic on Patriotic Socialism]'' by [[Kayla Popuchet]] on [[Midwestern Marx]]</ref> and gain a definite [[Communism with American characteristics|national form]] as a matter of consistency with the reality of [[Marxist-Leninism|Marxist-Leninist]] tradition.
Bourgeois Socialists in the United States used the term PatSoc to sow contention among the American Left (as a [[Reactionary|reaction]] to [[MAGACommunism|political re-alignment]]) on the basis of multiple accusations:

=== Bourgeois Socialist arguments ===

==== "The Patriotism of the Oppressed" ====
A common argument among the American Left was that Socialist Patriotism could only apply to countries that were not oppressors. Such a claim is a revisionist one which leaves the nation to the usurpers of the people and allow the legacy and historical reality of the masses to rot and waste. Such a view is contradictory to the true meaning of scientific socialism: the revitalization and the revitalization of the people while still remaining faithful to the same [[Modernity|modernity that begs the social question to begin with]].

==== Populism, Political Backwardness and Right Opportunism ====
<blockquote>"If we tried to go on the offensive when the masses are not yet awakened, that would be adventurism. If we insisted on leading the masses to do anything against their will, we would certainly fail. If we did not advance when the masses demand advance, that would be Right opportunism."

- Mao Ze Dong, A Talk to the Editorial Staff of the Shansi-Suiyuan Daily" (April 2, I948), Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 243.</blockquote>One argument was that the patriotism of the American working-class was a politically-backwards one which did not strive for cultural ideals of utopian/bourgeois socialism. Such a perspective views Socialism, not as an open-ended process, but as the imposing of a universal superstructural reality to be imposed on the particular realities of the people.<blockquote>"To link oneself with the masses, one must act in accordance with the needs and wishes of the masses. All work done for the masses must start from their needs and not from the desire of any individual, however well-intentioned. It often happens that objectively the masses need a certain change, but subjectively they are not yet conscious of the need, not yet willing or determined to make the change. In such cases, we should wait patiently. We should not make the change until, through our work, most of the masses have become conscious of the need and are willing and determined to carry it out. Otherwise we shall isolate ourselves from the masses. Unless they are conscious and willing, any kind of work that requires their participation will turn out to be a mere formality and will fail.... There are two principles here: one is the actual needs of the masses rather than what we fancy they need, and the other is the wishes of the masses, who must make up their own minds instead of our making up their minds for them.

- Mao Ze Dong, "The United Front in Cultural Work" (October 30, 1944), Selected Works, Vol. III, pp. 236-37. *</blockquote>

==== Utopian universal internationalism ====
<blockquote>"Across the rest of the world Marxist-Leninists never advocated on behalf of an abstract supranational working class nor did they preach the destruction of their own nations to berate their own people for their ostensible backwardness on the contrary marxist limited parties were successful for the precise reason that they could connect with and give body to the strivings of a concrete and determinate people other than superimposing on them foreign and abstract doctrines"

Socialist Patriotism: America vs. America" by Infrared Collective<ref name=":0" /></blockquote>

==== Accusations of Chauvinism ====
Accusations of chauvinism against American Communists were unfounded, for example claims that PatSocs were against Indigenous sovereignty.

=== Outcomes of the polemic ===
Eventually resulted in a [[MAGACommunism|political re-alignment]] and [[split with the American Left]].

== References ==
<references />