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	"'''"Capitalist socialism''' ~~— Haz's name for the actually-existing American economy:~~ a planned economy whose planning is captured by financial monopolists.		'''Capitalist socialism''' refers to a planned economy whose planning is captured by financial monopolists, such as the existing American economy.

	== From [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/infrared-vods/jslqqjasue4/ RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY'S INFRARED BAN] (Nov 2021) ==		It is also known as '''corporate socialism''', '''bourgeois socialism''' (a mode of production), not to be confused with the [[bourgeois-socialist ideology]] described by Marx in the Communist Manifesto.

			==From the streams==
			From [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/infrared-vods/jslqqjasue4/ RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY'S INFRARED BAN] (Nov 2021):

	> "We have a bloated financial sector, and I want to go farther than even China is right now — I want America's financial sector to be completely eliminated... The financial sector is a form of bourgeois, monopoly '''capitalist socialism'''. The financial sector right now is a form of selling indulgences of the planned economy. We live in a planned economy — but on Wall Street the financial monopolists coordinate with each other to get rich off of this financial planning, and rig the system to their benefit, at the expense of the American people."		> "We have a bloated financial sector, and I want to go farther than even China is right now — I want America's financial sector to be completely eliminated... The financial sector is a form of bourgeois, monopoly '''capitalist socialism'''. The financial sector right now is a form of selling indulgences of the planned economy. We live in a planned economy — but on Wall Street the financial monopolists coordinate with each other to get rich off of this financial planning, and rig the system to their benefit, at the expense of the American people."

	~~== The argument ==~~
	The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth on top of that planning: "selling indulgences." Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — farther than China's mixed model — because finance isn't a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).		The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth on top of that planning: "selling indulgences." Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — farther than China's mixed model — because finance isn't a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Corporate Socialism under FDR]]		* [[Corporate Socialism under FDR]]
	* [[We already live in socialism]]

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			* [[We already live in socialism]]

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	== The argument ==		== The argument ==
	The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth on top of that planning: "selling indulgences" ~~— payment for permission to participate in what already exists.~~ Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — farther than China's mixed model — because finance isn't a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).		The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth on top of that planning: "selling indulgences." Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — farther than China's mixed model — because finance isn't a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).

	== See also ==		== See also ==

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	'''"Capitalist socialism"''' is Haz ~~Al-Din~~'s name for the actually-existing American economy: a planned economy whose planning is captured by financial monopolists.		"'''"Capitalist socialism''' — Haz's name for the actually-existing American economy: a planned economy whose planning is captured by financial monopolists.

	== ~~The formulation ==~~		== From [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/infrared-vods/jslqqjasue4/ RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY'S INFRARED BAN] (Nov 2021) ==
	From [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/infrared-vods/jslqqjasue4/ RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY'S INFRARED BAN] (Nov 2021):

	> "We have a bloated financial sector, and I want to go farther than even China is right now — I want America's financial sector to be completely eliminated... The financial sector is a form of bourgeois, monopoly '''capitalist socialism'''. The financial sector right now is a form of selling indulgences of the planned economy. We live in a planned economy — but on Wall Street the financial monopolists coordinate with each other to get rich off of this financial planning, and rig the system to their benefit, at the expense of the American people."		> "We have a bloated financial sector, and I want to go farther than even China is right now — I want America's financial sector to be completely eliminated... The financial sector is a form of bourgeois, monopoly '''capitalist socialism'''. The financial sector right now is a form of selling indulgences of the planned economy. We live in a planned economy — but on Wall Street the financial monopolists coordinate with each other to get rich off of this financial planning, and rig the system to their benefit, at the expense of the American people."

	== The argument ==		== The argument ==
	* The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth ~~erected~~ on top of that planning: "selling indulgences" — payment for permission to participate in what already exists.		The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth on top of that planning: "selling indulgences" — payment for permission to participate in what already exists. Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — farther than China's mixed model — because finance isn't a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).
	* Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — ~~going~~ farther than China's mixed model — because finance ~~is not~~ a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).
	* The wordplay cuts both ways in debate: when opponents complain socialism is being eroded into meaninglessness ("super capitalist, socialism already won"), Haz agrees the word is eroded — because the reality it names already exists in distorted form. The task is not to invent planning but to '''expropriate the planners'''.

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[We already live in socialism]]
	* [[Corporate Socialism under FDR]]		* [[Corporate Socialism under FDR]]

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	'''"Capitalist ~~Socialism~~"''' ~~names~~ the ~~Infrared concept that~~ actually-existing ~~Western capitalism has already absorbed socialism's forms —~~ planning~~, welfare, corporate bureaucracy — while retaining capitalist command: socialism '''for the rich''', administered capitalism for everyone else~~.		'''"Capitalist socialism"''' is Haz Al-Din's name for the actually-existing American economy: a planned economy whose planning is captured by financial monopolists.

	== ~~Manifestations~~ ==		== The formulation ==
	* Corporate welfare: ~~bailouts (2008), subsidies, monopoly procurement (Pentagon), central~~-~~bank backstops — full state support of capital with none of its risks~~.		From [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/infrared-vods/jslqqjasue4/ RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY'S INFRARED BAN] (Nov 2021):
	* The managerial corporation: internal planning at Amazon/~~Walmart scale exceeding many national economies — Engels~~' ~~trusts realized.~~
	* Public-private "stakeholder" governance: ~~ESG, public-private partnerships — the fusion of state and monopoly presented as post-ideological administration.~~
	* Welfare as control: means-tested provision disciplining the poor rather than empowering them.

	~~== The point ==~~		> "We have a bloated financial sector, and I want to go farther than even China is right now — I want America's financial sector to be completely eliminated... The financial sector is a form of bourgeois, monopoly '''capitalist socialism'''. The financial sector right now is a form of selling indulgences of the planned economy. We live in a planned economy — but on Wall Street the financial monopolists coordinate with each other to get rich off of this financial planning, and rig the system to their benefit, at the expense of the American people."
	~~Against libertarians who call this~~ "~~socialism" to discredit it~~, and ~~liberals who call it "mixed economy~~,~~" Infrared insists on the distinction of~~ '''~~telos~~''': this ~~is capitalism using socialist forms~~ to ~~preserve capitalist rule. Real socialism means those same socialized productive forces commanded by~~ the people. ~~Hence~~ "[[We already live in socialism]]" — the ~~task~~ is not ~~to build planning from scratch~~ but ~~to seize what exists~~ (~~see~~ [[~~Corporate Socialism under FDR~~]], ~~[[New Deal]]~~).
			== The argument ==
			* The economy '''is''' planned — supply chains, monopolies, state coordination ([[We already live in socialism]]). Finance is the toll-booth erected on top of that planning: "selling indulgences" — payment for permission to participate in what already exists.
			* Hence the radical demand: not regulate finance but '''eliminate''' it — going farther than China's mixed model — because finance is not a sector of production but a parasite stratum on the already-socialized economy ([[Tendency of the rate of profit to fall]]).
			* The wordplay cuts both ways in debate: when opponents complain socialism is being eroded into meaninglessness ("super capitalist, socialism already won"), Haz agrees the word is eroded — because the reality it names already exists in distorted form. The task is not to invent planning but to '''expropriate the planners'''.

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[We already live in socialism]]		* [[We already live in socialism]]
	* [[~~Anglo Box~~]]		* [[Corporate Socialism under FDR]]

	== References ==		== References ==
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'''"Capitalist Socialism"''' names the Infrared concept that actually-existing Western capitalism has already absorbed socialism's forms — planning, welfare, corporate bureaucracy — while retaining capitalist command: socialism '''for the rich''', administered capitalism for everyone else.

== Manifestations ==
* Corporate welfare: bailouts (2008), subsidies, monopoly procurement (Pentagon), central-bank backstops — full state support of capital with none of its risks.
* The managerial corporation: internal planning at Amazon/Walmart scale exceeding many national economies — Engels' trusts realized.
* Public-private "stakeholder" governance: ESG, public-private partnerships — the fusion of state and monopoly presented as post-ideological administration.
* Welfare as control: means-tested provision disciplining the poor rather than empowering them.

== The point ==
Against libertarians who call this "socialism" to discredit it, and liberals who call it "mixed economy," Infrared insists on the distinction of '''telos''': this is capitalism using socialist forms to preserve capitalist rule. Real socialism means those same socialized productive forces commanded by the people. Hence "[[We already live in socialism]]" — the task is not to build planning from scratch but to seize what exists (see [[Corporate Socialism under FDR]], [[New Deal]]).

== See also ==
* [[We already live in socialism]]
* [[Anglo Box]]

== References ==
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