Historical nihilism - Revision history

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	Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to reject its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]]. This is not without precedent. Chinese scholars have accused Western scholars describing the [[Qing Dynasty]] as imperialist of historical nihilism.<ref>Zhao, Suisheng (2023). ''The Dragon Roars Back: Transformational Leaders and Dynamics of Chinese Foreign Policy''. Stanford, California: Stanford University Press. p. 127. doi:10.1515/9781503634152</ref>		Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to reject its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]]. This is not without precedent. Chinese scholars have accused Western scholars describing the [[Qing Dynasty]] as imperialist of historical nihilism.<ref>Zhao, Suisheng (2023). ''The Dragon Roars Back: Transformational Leaders and Dynamics of Chinese Foreign Policy''. Stanford, California: Stanford University Press. p. 127. doi:10.1515/9781503634152</ref>

			== Revisionist usage ==

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			After the [[Khrushchev Lied\|XX Congress]], in an ultra-narrow circle of our closest friends and associates, we often discussed the problems of democratization of the country and society. We chose a simple - like a sledgehammer - method of propagating the "ideas" of late Lenin. A group of true, not imaginary reformers developed (of course, orally) the following plan: to strike with the authority of Lenin at Stalin, at Stalinism. And then, if successful, - to strike with Plekhanov and Social Democracy - at Lenin, and then – with liberalism and "moral socialism" - at revolutionarism in general... The Soviet totalitarian regime could be destroyed only through glasnost and totalitarian party discipline, while hiding behind the interests of improving socialism. ... Looking back, I can proudly say that a clever, but very simple tactic - the mechanisms of totalitarianism against the system of totalitarianism – has worked.

			- Alexander Yakovlev, senior advisor to Gorbachev<ref>Introduction to the [[Black Book of Communism]]. https://web.archive.org/web/20201104135633/http://agitclub.ru/gorby/ussr/blackbook1.htm</ref>

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	'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]], condensing lessons learned from the fall of the Soviet Union. It serves to explain how "[t]he Soviets won the October Revolution with only a few hundred thousand members; it defeated the Nazis with a few million; but when it had tens of millions of members, it suffered a tragic collapse."<ref>Marquis, Christopher; Qiao, Kunyuan (2022). ''Mao and Markets: The Communist Roots of Chinese Enterprise''. Kunyuan Qiao. New Haven: Yale University Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctv3006z6k</ref>		'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]], condensing lessons learned from the fall of the [[Soviet Union]]. It serves to explain how "[t]he Soviets won the October Revolution with only a few hundred thousand members; it defeated the Nazis with a few million; but when it had tens of millions of members, it suffered a tragic collapse."<ref>Marquis, Christopher; Qiao, Kunyuan (2022). ''Mao and Markets: The Communist Roots of Chinese Enterprise''. Kunyuan Qiao. New Haven: Yale University Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctv3006z6k</ref>

	A tendency developed from Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin onward to disparage the achievements of the party, giving rise to unprincipled criticism. This tendency accelerated during the Glasnost era: as the modern media sphere developed and CPUSSR relaxed all control, it became fashionable to reject the Marxism, Lenin, and even the 1917 Revolution itself. Chinese strategists observed wearily, as the western ideological media machine took advantage of this weakness. What happened next provided a valuable lesson. <blockquote>Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall to pieces? An important reason is that in the ideological domain, competition is fierce! To completely repudiate the historical experience of the Soviet Union, to repudiate the history of the CPSU, to repudiate Lenin, to repudiate Stalin was to wreck chaos in Soviet ideology and engage in historical nihilism. It caused Party organizations at all levels to have barely any function whatsoever. It robbed the Party of its leadership of the military. In the end the CPSU—as great a Party as it was—scattered like a flock of frightened beasts! The Soviet Union—as great a country as it was—shattered into a dozen pieces. This is a lesson from the past! — Xi Jinping, Uphold and Develop Socialism with Chinese Characteristics<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220724224836/https://www3.nd.edu/~pmoody/Text%20Pages%20-%20Peter%20Moody%20Webpage/Nihilism.pdf</ref></blockquote>Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to ~~rejects~~ its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]]. This is not without precedent. Chinese scholars have accused Western scholars describing the Qing Dynasty as imperialist of historical nihilism.<ref>Zhao, Suisheng (2023). ''The Dragon Roars Back: Transformational Leaders and Dynamics of Chinese Foreign Policy''. Stanford, California: Stanford University Press. p. 127. doi:10.1515/9781503634152</ref>		A tendency developed from [[Nikita Khrushchev\|Khrushchev]]'s [[Khrushchev Lied\|denunciation]] of [[Joseph Stalin\|Stalin]] onward to disparage the achievements of the party, giving rise to unprincipled criticism. This tendency accelerated during the [[Gorbachev\|Glasnost]] era: as the modern media sphere developed and CPUSSR relaxed all control, it became fashionable to reject the Marxism, Lenin, and even the 1917 Revolution itself. Chinese strategists observed wearily, as the western ideological media machine took advantage of this weakness. What happened next provided a valuable lesson.

			<blockquote>Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall to pieces? An important reason is that in the ideological domain, competition is fierce! To completely repudiate the historical experience of the Soviet Union, to repudiate the history of the CPSU, to repudiate Lenin, to repudiate Stalin was to wreck chaos in Soviet ideology and engage in historical nihilism. It caused Party organizations at all levels to have barely any function whatsoever. It robbed the Party of its leadership of the military. In the end the CPSU—as great a Party as it was—scattered like a flock of frightened beasts! The Soviet Union—as great a country as it was—shattered into a dozen pieces. This is a lesson from the past!

			— [[Xi Jinping]], Uphold and Develop Socialism with Chinese Characteristics<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220724224836/https://www3.nd.edu/~pmoody/Text%20Pages%20-%20Peter%20Moody%20Webpage/Nihilism.pdf</ref>

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			Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to reject its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]]. This is not without precedent. Chinese scholars have accused Western scholars describing the [[Qing Dynasty]] as imperialist of historical nihilism.<ref>Zhao, Suisheng (2023). ''The Dragon Roars Back: Transformational Leaders and Dynamics of Chinese Foreign Policy''. Stanford, California: Stanford University Press. p. 127. doi:10.1515/9781503634152</ref>

	== External links ==		== External links ==

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	== Further reading ==		== Further reading ==
	[[Khrushchev Lied]]		* [[Khrushchev Lied]]
			* [[List of myths about Stalin]]

			== References ==

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	== External links ==		== External links ==
	* [http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/16/c_1310314613.htm 2021 Speech by Xi Jinping taking a stance against historical nihilism]		* [https://web.archive.org/web/20211116113923/http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/16/c_1310314613.htm 2021 Speech by Xi Jinping taking a stance against historical nihilism]
	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCX5S9O4yg Historical Nihilism and the Fall of the USSR — Communist Party of China documentary]		* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCX5S9O4yg Historical Nihilism and the Fall of the USSR — Communist Party of China documentary]
	* [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html The 1619 Project (One of the major sources of liberal historical nihilism in the United States)]		* [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html The 1619 Project (One of the major sources of liberal historical nihilism in the United States)]

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	'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]] ~~describing viewpoints that disparage and devalue~~ the ~~achievements~~ of the ~~proletarian revolutions in the [[~~Soviet Union]] and ~~[[China]] in order to undermine continued socialist development~~.		'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]], condensing lessons learned from the fall of the Soviet Union. It serves to explain how "[t]he Soviets won the October Revolution with only a few hundred thousand members; it defeated the Nazis with a few million; but when it had tens of millions of members, it suffered a tragic collapse."<ref>Marquis, Christopher; Qiao, Kunyuan (2022). ''Mao and Markets: The Communist Roots of Chinese Enterprise''. Kunyuan Qiao. New Haven: Yale University Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctv3006z6k</ref>

	Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to rejects its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]].		A tendency developed from Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin onward to disparage the achievements of the party, giving rise to unprincipled criticism. This tendency accelerated during the Glasnost era: as the modern media sphere developed and CPUSSR relaxed all control, it became fashionable to reject the Marxism, Lenin, and even the 1917 Revolution itself. Chinese strategists observed wearily, as the western ideological media machine took advantage of this weakness. What happened next provided a valuable lesson. <blockquote>Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall to pieces? An important reason is that in the ideological domain, competition is fierce! To completely repudiate the historical experience of the Soviet Union, to repudiate the history of the CPSU, to repudiate Lenin, to repudiate Stalin was to wreck chaos in Soviet ideology and engage in historical nihilism. It caused Party organizations at all levels to have barely any function whatsoever. It robbed the Party of its leadership of the military. In the end the CPSU—as great a Party as it was—scattered like a flock of frightened beasts! The Soviet Union—as great a country as it was—shattered into a dozen pieces. This is a lesson from the past! — Xi Jinping, Uphold and Develop Socialism with Chinese Characteristics<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220724224836/https://www3.nd.edu/~pmoody/Text%20Pages%20-%20Peter%20Moody%20Webpage/Nihilism.pdf</ref></blockquote>Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to rejects its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]]. This is not without precedent. Chinese scholars have accused Western scholars describing the Qing Dynasty as imperialist of historical nihilism.<ref>Zhao, Suisheng (2023). ''The Dragon Roars Back: Transformational Leaders and Dynamics of Chinese Foreign Policy''. Stanford, California: Stanford University Press. p. 127. doi:10.1515/9781503634152</ref>

	== External links ==		== External links ==

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	'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]] describing viewpoints that disparage and devalue the achievements of the proletarian revolutions in the [[Soviet Union]] and [[China]] in order to undermine continued socialist development.		'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]] describing viewpoints that disparage and devalue the achievements of the proletarian revolutions in the [[Soviet Union]] and [[China]] in order to undermine continued socialist development.

			Infrared maintains that historical nihilism universally means an effort to specifically forget, ignore, revise, etc. the history of individual or collective phenomena. For example, in its efforts to rejects its own history, the West, as a collective being, is historically nihilist in its rejection of the truth of its past-- that being their rejection of the origin of the [[Modern Universal State]] laying within the [[Mongol Modernity\|Mongol empire]].

	== External links ==		== External links ==

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	== External links ==		== External links ==
	* [[wikipedia:Historical_nihilism\|Historical nihilism on English Wikipedia]]
	* [http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/16/c_1310314613.htm 2021 Speech by Xi Jinping taking a stance against historical nihilism]		* [http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/16/c_1310314613.htm 2021 Speech by Xi Jinping taking a stance against historical nihilism]
	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCX5S9O4yg Historical Nihilism and the Fall of the USSR — Communist Party of China documentary]		* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCX5S9O4yg Historical Nihilism and the Fall of the USSR — Communist Party of China documentary]

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	'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the Communist Party of China ~~to describe~~ viewpoints that disparage and devalue the ~~historical successes~~ of the proletarian ~~revolution~~ in China~~, and its~~ continued ~~path towards socialism~~.		'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the [[Communist Party of China]] describing viewpoints that disparage and devalue the achievements of the proletarian revolutions in the [[Soviet Union]] and [[China]] in order to undermine continued socialist development.

	The phrase has become somewhat popularized in the United States, as the anti-imperialist left struggles against the nihilism of the [[Synthetic Left]], particularly over the question of the revolutionary spirit of the [[American Revolution]].
	== External links ==		== External links ==
	* [[wikipedia:Historical_nihilism\|Historical nihilism on English Wikipedia]]		* [[wikipedia:Historical_nihilism\|Historical nihilism on English Wikipedia]]
			* [http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/16/c_1310314613.htm 2021 Speech by Xi Jinping taking a stance against historical nihilism]
			* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCX5S9O4yg Historical Nihilism and the Fall of the USSR — Communist Party of China documentary]
	* [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html The 1619 Project (One of the major sources of liberal historical nihilism in the United States)]		* [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html The 1619 Project (One of the major sources of liberal historical nihilism in the United States)]

			== Further reading ==
			[[Khrushchev Lied]]

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	~~{{HXG}}~~		'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the Communist Party of China to describe viewpoints that disparage and devalue the historical successes of the proletarian revolution in China, and its continued path towards socialism.

			The phrase has become somewhat popularized in the United States, as the anti-imperialist left struggles against the nihilism of the [[Synthetic Left]], particularly over the question of the revolutionary spirit of the [[American Revolution]].
			== External links ==
			* [[wikipedia:Historical_nihilism\|Historical nihilism on English Wikipedia]]
			* [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html The 1619 Project (One of the major sources of liberal historical nihilism in the United States)]

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	'''Historical nihilism''' is a term originating from the Communist Party of China to describe viewpoints that disparage and devalue the historical successes of the proletarian revolution in China, and its continued path towards socialism.		{{HXG}}

	The phrase has become somewhat popularized in the United States, as the anti-imperialist left struggles against the nihilism of the [[Synthetic Left]], particularly over the question of the revolutionary spirit of the [[American Revolution]].
	~~== External links ==~~
	* [[wikipedia:Historical_nihilism\|Historical nihilism on English Wikipedia]]
	* [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html The 1619 Project (One of the major sources of liberal historical nihilism in the United States)]