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	'''"Neo-~~Conservatism~~ is Trotskyism"''' ~~is the genealogical claim Haz Al-Din wields in debates: that neoconservatism is~~ permanent revolution secularized ~~— the same structure of~~ endless ideological war, wearing different clothes.		"'''"Neo-conservatism is Trotskyism"''' — permanent revolution secularized: endless ideological war wearing different clothes.

	== ~~The claim in context~~ ==		== From the streams ==
	~~Infrared's debates with groypers and rightists repeatedly hit the neocon question. Haz's usage:~~		* The Iraq coalition as factional project ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]: France not on board, "freedom fries") — neocons as a network with its own eschatology, distinct from American interests.
	* The Iraq ~~War~~ coalition ~~("France was not on board... freedom fries") is treated~~ as ~~a '''~~factional project~~''' distinct from American interests — the neocons as a network with its own eschatology~~ ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]).		* The DeSantis fusion ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/3210a2c9-0c8c-406c-b838-1f5873805d71/ MAJOR VICTORY \| COOKING GROYPERS stream]): "Anti-woke plus neoconservatism — that was DeSantis... bourgeois retirees who combined Christian nationalist anti-woke sentiment with neoconservative aggressive foreign military agendas." (Trump absorbed and transformed the brand after January '24.)
	* The DeSantis ~~brand is diagnosed as its~~ fusion with the culture war: "anti-woke plus neoconservatism — that was DeSantis... disgusting bourgeois retirees who combined Christian nationalist anti-woke sentiment with neoconservative aggressive foreign military agendas" ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/3210a2c9-0c8c-406c-b838-1f5873805d71/ MAJOR VICTORY \| COOKING GROYPERS stream]) — with ~~Haz noting~~ Trump absorbed and transformed ~~this~~ brand after January '24.		* Trotskyism itself dismissed on the merits ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/01b75999-cac8-4153-b7fe-53ddacd54b59/ FBI AFTER ME! stream]): "We know what Trotskyism looks like. It's a dead end. I see nothing to debate about. Why should I be a Trotskyist? The burden is on you." And the bureaucracy question redirected: only the ML tradition (Mao's Cultural Revolution) developed a real answer to bureaucratic state machines — not the permanent-faction tradition.
	* The Trotsky genealogy: the intellectual migration (Kristol, Burnham, Shachtman — ex-Trotskyists to Cold War liberalism) shows the '''structure''' persisting across labels: a vanguard of pure idea, permanent war against the "reactionary" world, revolution exported by force. Permanent revolution minus the proletariat.

	~~== The polemical point ==~~
	~~The equation serves Infrared's method: judge movements by their '''social content and actual operations''', never their vocabulary ([[Anglo Box]]).~~ Trotskyism itself ~~Haz dismisses as a dead end~~ on the merits ~~— "we know what Trotskyism looks like. It's a dead end... Why should I be a Trotskyist? The burden is on you"~~ ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/01b75999-cac8-4153-b7fe-53ddacd54b59/ FBI AFTER ME! stream]) ~~— and its bureaucratic-fight critique he redirects~~: only the ML tradition (Mao's Cultural Revolution) developed a real answer to ~~bureaucracy,~~ not the permanent-faction tradition.

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Red-Fascism]]		* [[Red-Fascism]]
	* [[~~Woodrow Wilson~~]]		* [[Anglo Box]]

	== References ==		== References ==
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	'''"Neo-Conservatism is Trotskyism"''' ~~names~~ the genealogical claim ~~— popularized by Michael Lind, developed by paleoconservatives like Paul Gottfried, and used polemically by Infrared —~~ that neoconservatism is the ~~continuation~~ of ~~Trotskyist politics by other means~~.		'''"Neo-Conservatism is Trotskyism"''' is the genealogical claim Haz Al-Din wields in debates: that neoconservatism is permanent revolution secularized — the same structure of endless ideological war, wearing different clothes.

	== The ~~genealogy~~ ==		== The claim in context ==
	* ~~Irving Kristol, James Burnham, Max Shachtman: the Trotskyist or Shachtmanite left of the 1930s-40s became the Cold~~ War ~~right of the 1950s-70s~~ ("~~Shachtmanites staffed the neocon infrastructure~~").		Infrared's debates with groypers and rightists repeatedly hit the neocon question. Haz's usage:
	* Continuities claimed: permanent revolution becomes global democratic crusade; the ~~world-historical vanguard party becomes the ideological~~ network (~~Commentary, Public Interest, AEI~~); the ~~proletariat is replaced by~~ "~~democracy~~" ~~as the universal subject; enemies are counter~~-~~revolutionaries to be smashed without limits~~.		* The Iraq War coalition ("France was not on board... freedom fries") is treated as a '''factional project''' distinct from American interests — the neocons as a network with its own eschatology ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]).
	* The ~~foreign-policy record~~: ~~Iraq war architects~~ (~~Wolfowitz~~, ~~Feith~~, ~~Perle~~) ~~applying~~ "~~democratic~~ revolution~~" doctrine with Bolshevik means~~.		* The DeSantis brand is diagnosed as its fusion with the culture war: "anti-woke plus neoconservatism — that was DeSantis... disgusting bourgeois retirees who combined Christian nationalist anti-woke sentiment with neoconservative aggressive foreign military agendas" ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/3210a2c9-0c8c-406c-b838-1f5873805d71/ MAJOR VICTORY \| COOKING GROYPERS stream]) — with Haz noting Trump absorbed and transformed this brand after January '24.
			* The Trotsky genealogy: the intellectual migration (Kristol, Burnham, Shachtman — ex-Trotskyists to Cold War liberalism) shows the '''structure''' persisting across labels: a vanguard of pure idea, permanent war against the "reactionary" world, revolution exported by force. Permanent revolution minus the proletariat.

	== ~~Infrared usage~~ ==		== The polemical point ==
	~~Haz wields the~~ equation ~~as a weapon against liberalism~~'s ~~right wing~~: '''~~the ideology of endless war is a secular eschatology~~''' ~~— revolution without the people~~, ~~universalism without the class. It also serves the deeper point: ideologies migrate across nominal labels while their structure persists, so judging movements by their actual social content — not~~ their vocabulary ~~— is the only serious method~~ (~~see~~ [[Anglo Box]], [~~[Woodrow Wilson]~~]).		The equation serves Infrared's method: judge movements by their '''social content and actual operations''', never their vocabulary ([[Anglo Box]]). Trotskyism itself Haz dismisses as a dead end on the merits — "we know what Trotskyism looks like. It's a dead end... Why should I be a Trotskyist? The burden is on you" ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/01b75999-cac8-4153-b7fe-53ddacd54b59/ FBI AFTER ME! stream]) — and its bureaucratic-fight critique he redirects: only the ML tradition (Mao's Cultural Revolution) developed a real answer to bureaucracy, not the permanent-faction tradition.

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Red-Fascism]]		* [[Red-Fascism]]
	* [[~~Third Way~~]]		* [[Woodrow Wilson]]

	== References ==		== References ==
	<references/>		<references/>

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'''"Neo-Conservatism is Trotskyism"''' names the genealogical claim — popularized by Michael Lind, developed by paleoconservatives like Paul Gottfried, and used polemically by Infrared — that neoconservatism is the continuation of Trotskyist politics by other means.

== The genealogy ==
* Irving Kristol, James Burnham, Max Shachtman: the Trotskyist or Shachtmanite left of the 1930s-40s became the Cold War right of the 1950s-70s ("Shachtmanites staffed the neocon infrastructure").
* Continuities claimed: permanent revolution becomes global democratic crusade; the world-historical vanguard party becomes the ideological network (Commentary, Public Interest, AEI); the proletariat is replaced by "democracy" as the universal subject; enemies are counter-revolutionaries to be smashed without limits.
* The foreign-policy record: Iraq war architects (Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle) applying "democratic revolution" doctrine with Bolshevik means.

== Infrared usage ==
Haz wields the equation as a weapon against liberalism's right wing: '''the ideology of endless war is a secular eschatology''' — revolution without the people, universalism without the class. It also serves the deeper point: ideologies migrate across nominal labels while their structure persists, so judging movements by their actual social content — not their vocabulary — is the only serious method (see [[Anglo Box]], [[Woodrow Wilson]]).

== See also ==
* [[Red-Fascism]]
* [[Third Way]]

== References ==
<references/>

[[Category:Ideology]][[Category:American politics]][[Category:Imperialism]]