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	'''The Qing''' ~~comes up in~~ Haz's Civil War ~~geopolitics~~ aside ~~— and in his broader point about non-Western ordered polities~~.		'''The Qing''' — via Haz's Civil War aside on international alignments.

	From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]: "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did." (With China under the Qing floated among the sympathetic powers.)		From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]:

			> "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did."

			(With China under the Qing floated among the sympathetic powers.)

	The deeper usage — the Qing as proof that Western categories misclassify non-Western planned orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state-managed strategic economy) — belongs with his [[Ottoman Empire]] discussions: pre-capitalist order destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project ([[We already live in socialism]]).		The deeper usage — the Qing as proof that Western categories misclassify non-Western planned orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state-managed strategic economy) — belongs with his [[Ottoman Empire]] discussions: pre-capitalist order destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project ([[We already live in socialism]]).

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	"'''"The Qing ~~Dynasty~~''' ~~appears~~ in ~~Infrared streams mainly through~~ Haz's Civil War geopolitics aside — and in his broader ~~argument~~ about non-Western ordered polities.		'''The Qing''' comes up in Haz's Civil War geopolitics aside — and in his broader point about non-Western ordered polities.

	== From the ~~streams ==~~		From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]: "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did." (With China under the Qing floated among the sympathetic powers.)
	* On the Civil War's international alignments ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]): "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did." (~~Haz adds, tentatively,~~ China under the Qing among the powers ~~sympathetic to the Union~~.)
	* The deeper usage — the Qing as ~~example~~ that Western categories misclassify non-Western orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state ~~management of~~ strategic economy) — belongs ~~to the same family as~~ his [[Ottoman Empire]] discussions: pre-capitalist ~~planned orders~~ destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project ([[We already live in socialism]]).		The deeper usage — the Qing as proof that Western categories misclassify non-Western planned orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state-managed strategic economy) — belongs with his [[Ottoman Empire]] discussions: pre-capitalist order destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project ([[We already live in socialism]]).

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Ottoman Empire]]
	* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]		* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]

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	~~The~~ '''Qing Dynasty''' ~~(1636–1912) was China~~'s ~~last imperial dynasty, founded by the Manchus~~ — and ~~the case study Haz Al-Din has invoked for the thesis that~~ non-Western ~~empires contained organized, planned social orders that Western categories cannot classify~~.		"'''"The Qing Dynasty''' appears in Infrared streams mainly through Haz's Civil War geopolitics aside — and in his broader argument about non-Western ordered polities.

	== ~~Overview~~ ==		== From the streams ==
	* ~~Ruled by~~ the ~~Aisin Gioro clan from Beijing over history~~'s ~~largest multiethnic empire~~: ~~China proper, Manchuria, Mongolia, Xinjiang, Tibet — the territorial base of modern China~~.		* On the Civil War's international alignments ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]): "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did." (Haz adds, tentatively, China under the Qing among the powers sympathetic to the Union.)
	* High Qing (Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong): population explosion, granary systems and ever-~~normal storehouses (state grain management as proto~~-~~planning~~)~~, examination bureaucracy, sophisticated fiscal administration~~.		* The deeper usage — the Qing as example that Western categories misclassify non-Western orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state management of strategic economy) — belongs to the same family as his [[Ottoman Empire]] discussions: pre-capitalist planned orders destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project ([[We already live in socialism]]).
	* Decline: population pressure, the ~~Opium Wars~~ (~~1839-42, 1856-60)~~, ~~Taiping Rebellion (14+ million dead)~~, ~~unequal treaties, Boxer catastrophe;~~ the ~~1911 Xinhai Revolution ended two millennia of imperial rule~~.

	~~== Infrared~~ usage ==
	~~Haz's provocative classification of~~ the Qing (~~with the Ottomans and Tsarist Russia) as examples of "actual socialism" — planned economies~~, state ~~ownership~~ of strategic ~~sectors, anti-merchant regulation~~ — ~~is deliberately scandalous against textbook definitions. Its function is~~ [[~~Anglo Box~~]] ~~demolition~~: ~~if "socialism" means state command of the economy in service of social order rather than a specific 19th~~-~~century property doctrine~~, ~~then~~ the ~~category must be rethought historically rather than definition~~-~~mongered~~ (~~see~~ [[We already live in socialism~~]], [[Ottoman Empire~~]]).

	== See also ==		== See also ==
			* [[Ottoman Empire]]
	* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]		* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]
	* [[Tridemism]]

	== References ==		== References ==
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The '''Qing Dynasty''' (1636–1912) was China's last imperial dynasty, founded by the Manchus — and the case study Haz Al-Din has invoked for the thesis that non-Western empires contained organized, planned social orders that Western categories cannot classify.

== Overview ==
* Ruled by the Aisin Gioro clan from Beijing over history's largest multiethnic empire: China proper, Manchuria, Mongolia, Xinjiang, Tibet — the territorial base of modern China.
* High Qing (Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong): population explosion, granary systems and ever-normal storehouses (state grain management as proto-planning), examination bureaucracy, sophisticated fiscal administration.
* Decline: population pressure, the Opium Wars (1839-42, 1856-60), Taiping Rebellion (14+ million dead), unequal treaties, Boxer catastrophe; the 1911 Xinhai Revolution ended two millennia of imperial rule.

== Infrared usage ==
Haz's provocative classification of the Qing (with the Ottomans and Tsarist Russia) as examples of "actual socialism" — planned economies, state ownership of strategic sectors, anti-merchant regulation — is deliberately scandalous against textbook definitions. Its function is [[Anglo Box]] demolition: if "socialism" means state command of the economy in service of social order rather than a specific 19th-century property doctrine, then the category must be rethought historically rather than definition-mongered (see [[We already live in socialism]], [[Ottoman Empire]]).

== See also ==
* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]
* [[Tridemism]]

== References ==
<references/>

[[Category:China]][[Category:History]]