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The '''Qing Dynasty''' (1636–1912) was China's last imperial dynasty, founded by the Manchus — and the case study Haz Al-Din has invoked for the thesis that non-Western empires contained organized, planned social orders that Western categories cannot classify.
'''The Qing''' — via Haz's Civil War aside on international alignments.


== Overview ==
From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]:
* Ruled by the Aisin Gioro clan from Beijing over history's largest multiethnic empire: China proper, Manchuria, Mongolia, Xinjiang, Tibet — the territorial base of modern China.
* High Qing (Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong): population explosion, granary systems and ever-normal storehouses (state grain management as proto-planning), examination bureaucracy, sophisticated fiscal administration.
* Decline: population pressure, the Opium Wars (1839-42, 1856-60), Taiping Rebellion (14+ million dead), unequal treaties, Boxer catastrophe; the 1911 Xinhai Revolution ended two millennia of imperial rule.


== Infrared usage ==
> "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did."
Haz's provocative classification of the Qing (with the Ottomans and Tsarist Russia) as examples of "actual socialism" — planned economies, state ownership of strategic sectors, anti-merchant regulation — is deliberately scandalous against textbook definitions. Its function is [[Anglo Box]] demolition: if "socialism" means state command of the economy in service of social order rather than a specific 19th-century property doctrine, then the category must be rethought historically rather than definition-mongered (see [[We already live in socialism]], [[Ottoman Empire]]).
 
(With China under the Qing floated among the sympathetic powers.)
 
The deeper usage — the Qing as proof that Western categories misclassify non-Western planned orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state-managed strategic economy) — belongs with his [[Ottoman Empire]] discussions: pre-capitalist order destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project ([[We already live in socialism]]).


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]
* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen]]
* [[Tridemism]]


== References ==
== References ==
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[[Category:China]][[Category:History]]
[[Category:China]][[Category:History]][[Category:Economics]]

Latest revision as of 10:59, 21 August 2026

The Qing — via Haz's Civil War aside on international alignments.

From the TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream:

> "All the powers of Europe supported the Confederacy... You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did."

(With China under the Qing floated among the sympathetic powers.)

The deeper usage — the Qing as proof that Western categories misclassify non-Western planned orders (granary systems, ever-normal storehouses, state-managed strategic economy) — belongs with his Ottoman Empire discussions: pre-capitalist order destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project (We already live in socialism).

See also

References

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