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'''Ludwig von Mises''' — patriarch of the Austrian School and author of the "economic calculation problem" — appears in Infrared debates as the standard citation of libertarian opponents, and in Haz Al-Din's handling as a position whose foundations were "faulty from the beginning."
'''Ludwig von Mises''' is a retard who thinks economics is magic.


== From the streams ==
That's the whole thing. He built an entire "science" (praxeology) on the claim that since nobody can see the future, only magic prices can coordinate society — therefore planning is impossible, therefore capitalism is eternal, QED. Define economics as whatever markets do, then "prove" markets are indispensable because look, economics.
* On the calculation debate ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/10ec3a31-ea24-45c9-8219-68350a003135/ INTENSE DEBATES | FBI ATTACK stream]): asked for a pitch against the economic calculation problem: "It's complete bullshit. The burden is not on me to debunk anything. There's nothing to debunk. It was based on faulty premises from the beginning." The premise fault: assuming all economic coordination requires a single common measure (price) — collapsing multiple dimensions into one number.
 
* In the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/948c3a09-3f57-4dd1-ba7c-447cccbd57b9/ Victory is ours stream], an opponent cites "modern economists — Mises, Rothbard": Haz notes the Austrian school isn't "modern" by the field's own classification (that's neoclassicals/marginalists) — the labor theory of value was "debunked" only within a framework built after Marx to avoid his conclusions.
Haz on the calculation problem ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/10ec3a31-ea24-45c9-8219-68350a003135/ INTENSE DEBATES stream]): "It's complete bullshit. The burden is not on me to debunk anything. There's nothing to debunk. It was based on faulty premises from the beginning." The premise: everything must collapse into one number (price) for anyone to coordinate anything while the actual global economy is already centrally coordinated down to the pencil ([[Economic Calculation Problem]]).
* The libertarian movement's origin, per Haz ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/infrared/fqsih0ynb7e/ Kanye's CHALLENGE stream]): "based on a guy who read Hayek's Road to Serfdom" — a book-idea diffused into a mass identity; the real libertarian tradition Haz respects is the militia/Second Amendment one persecuted by the FBI in the 1990s, not Twitter Rothbardians.
 
The school's function ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/78727f1b-bfd6-49fc-863e-bf67603855f7/ MASSIVE DEBATE ROYALE stream]): after Marx brought classical political economy to its conclusion, "the bourgeoisie needed a more subjectivist, pseudoscientific economic science to explain why capitalism is the best" — enter Mises and his students ([[Friedrich August Hayek]], [[Milton Friedman]]).


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Economic Calculation Problem]]
* [[Economic Calculation Problem]]
* [[Friedrich August Hayek]]


== References ==
== References ==

Latest revision as of 11:02, 21 August 2026

Ludwig von Mises is a retard who thinks economics is magic.

That's the whole thing. He built an entire "science" (praxeology) on the claim that since nobody can see the future, only magic prices can coordinate society — therefore planning is impossible, therefore capitalism is eternal, QED. Define economics as whatever markets do, then "prove" markets are indispensable because look, economics.

Haz on the calculation problem (INTENSE DEBATES stream): "It's complete bullshit. The burden is not on me to debunk anything. There's nothing to debunk. It was based on faulty premises from the beginning." The premise: everything must collapse into one number (price) for anyone to coordinate anything — while the actual global economy is already centrally coordinated down to the pencil (Economic Calculation Problem).

The school's function (MASSIVE DEBATE ROYALE stream): after Marx brought classical political economy to its conclusion, "the bourgeoisie needed a more subjectivist, pseudoscientific economic science to explain why capitalism is the best" — enter Mises and his students (Friedrich August Hayek, Milton Friedman).

See also

References