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The '''economic calculation problem''' | The '''economic calculation problem''' — Mises' claim that rational allocation is impossible without market prices — is the standard theoretical objection to socialism, and Haz Al-Din treats it as a pseudo-problem built on a false picture of what planning requires. | ||
== | == Haz's handling == | ||
* The dismissal ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/10ec3a31-ea24-45c9-8219-68350a003135/ INTENSE DEBATES stream]): "It's complete bullshit... based on faulty premises from the beginning." The premise: that everything must "collapse into one number" — price — for coordination. But reality is already centrally coordinated: "the mode of production is already centralized... objectively these supply chains have to all come together somehow from very disparate origins" ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/5e76e0d7-c4cc-459e-b8b1-65ade98827ae/ MASSIVE DEBATE ROYALE]) — the pencil argument turned against Friedman: the global pencil proves planning exists, markets merely mystify it. | |||
* The deeper point ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/00e75c5d-493b-453c-9b4b-bca9603c6ed7/ WE'RE SO BACK stream]): the calculation debate assumes a "common measure" is needed in the absence of exchange value — Haz gestures at Cantor's mathematics of the infinite: multiple incommensurable dimensions don't need collapse into a scalar to be handled; the demand for a single metric is the value-form's own prejudice generalized into ontology. | |||
* Historical answer: OGAS — the Soviet cybernetics proposal for computerized planning, discussed on [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/black-lenin/nnuhnb76u_0/ the Lib Discord debate] via Cockshott — the calculation problem was being answered technically before the USSR fell to other causes. | |||
== | == See also == | ||
* | * [[Ludwig von Mises]] | ||
* [[We already live in socialism]] | |||
== References == | == References == | ||
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Revision as of 09:58, 21 August 2026
The economic calculation problem — Mises' claim that rational allocation is impossible without market prices — is the standard theoretical objection to socialism, and Haz Al-Din treats it as a pseudo-problem built on a false picture of what planning requires.
Haz's handling
- The dismissal (INTENSE DEBATES stream): "It's complete bullshit... based on faulty premises from the beginning." The premise: that everything must "collapse into one number" — price — for coordination. But reality is already centrally coordinated: "the mode of production is already centralized... objectively these supply chains have to all come together somehow from very disparate origins" (MASSIVE DEBATE ROYALE) — the pencil argument turned against Friedman: the global pencil proves planning exists, markets merely mystify it.
- The deeper point (WE'RE SO BACK stream): the calculation debate assumes a "common measure" is needed in the absence of exchange value — Haz gestures at Cantor's mathematics of the infinite: multiple incommensurable dimensions don't need collapse into a scalar to be handled; the demand for a single metric is the value-form's own prejudice generalized into ontology.
- Historical answer: OGAS — the Soviet cybernetics proposal for computerized planning, discussed on the Lib Discord debate via Cockshott — the calculation problem was being answered technically before the USSR fell to other causes.