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The '''Asiatic mode of production''' is a concept Marx developed for societies in which the village community persists as the basic economic unit while a despotic state apparatus — typically organized around large-scale hydraulic works such as irrigation — appropriates the surplus in the form of rent-tax. Because the state is the effective landlord, class antagonism takes the form of the relation between state and village community rather than between private landlords and tenants.
"'''"The Asiatic mode of production''' appears in Haz's discourse both seriously (as the category for pre-capitalist planned orders) and in his famous Shrek bit.


== Key features ==
== The Shrek exposition ==
* No private property in land at the top; the "sovereign" is the ultimate proprietor.
From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/07274b7b-0196-4bcf-8711-fcd1640071af/ Huge updates stream]:
* Self-sufficient village communities reproduce themselves across dynastic cycles.
* Stagnation or cyclical reproduction rather than the progressive development characteristic of European feudalism-to-capitalism.


== Debates ==
> "Shrek was a freehold peasant living in an Asiatic mode of production... Shrek was always cool with whoever the emperor was — he didn't want to get involved in politics. But Lord Farquaad wanted to end the Asiatic mode of production and institute private property and eliminate freehold peasants like Shrek and all these fairy-tale creatures... gather them in one place to be slaves and laborers. And that violated the social contract."
The concept was contentious in Marxist historiography: Stalin's era dropped it, Soviet Marxists standardized a five-stage scheme (primitive communism, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism), and the concept was revived after 1965 (notably by French Marxists and by Wittfogel's controversial ''Oriental Despotism'', which Marxists criticized as cold-war distortion). The concept matters for understanding Russia's obshchina debates (Vera Zasulich's letter to Marx) and for non-European paths of development.
 
== The substance ==
Behind the bit is a real position: the Asiatic mode — village communities under an overarching state that owns/concedes land, extracts rent rather than capitalist profit — names the '''non-capitalist ordered society''' that Western Marxism keeps trying to erase from history. It connects to Haz's provocations about the Qing and Ottomans as "actual socialism" ([[Qing Dynasty]], [[Ottoman Empire]]): if socialism means state-commanded production against private accumulation, the category must stretch historically — and the "primitive accumulation" moment (Farquaad's enclosure) is the villain of the story, not the order it destroyed.


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Qing Dynasty]]
* [[We already live in socialism]]
* [[Ottoman Empire]]
* [[Narodniks]]
* [[Dialectic of Town and City]]


== References ==
== References ==
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Revision as of 10:10, 21 August 2026

""The Asiatic mode of production appears in Haz's discourse both seriously (as the category for pre-capitalist planned orders) and in his famous Shrek bit.

The Shrek exposition

From the Huge updates stream:

> "Shrek was a freehold peasant living in an Asiatic mode of production... Shrek was always cool with whoever the emperor was — he didn't want to get involved in politics. But Lord Farquaad wanted to end the Asiatic mode of production and institute private property and eliminate freehold peasants like Shrek and all these fairy-tale creatures... gather them in one place to be slaves and laborers. And that violated the social contract."

The substance

Behind the bit is a real position: the Asiatic mode — village communities under an overarching state that owns/concedes land, extracts rent rather than capitalist profit — names the non-capitalist ordered society that Western Marxism keeps trying to erase from history. It connects to Haz's provocations about the Qing and Ottomans as "actual socialism" (Qing Dynasty, Ottoman Empire): if socialism means state-commanded production against private accumulation, the category must stretch historically — and the "primitive accumulation" moment (Farquaad's enclosure) is the villain of the story, not the order it destroyed.

See also

References