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"'''"Theodore Roosevelt''' appears in Haz's debate sparring over progressive-party history.
'''Teddy Roosevelt''' shows up in Haz's debate sparring over third-party viability.


== From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/black-lenin/zt8xtb4o394/ Haz vs NewYorkDemocrat | InfraredShow Debate] ==
== From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/youtube/black-lenin/zt8xtb4o394/ Haz vs NewYorkDemocrat | InfraredShow Debate] ==
Sparring with a Democrat over third-party viability:
Democrat: "Third parties — they haven't won anything." Haz: "Do you know who chaired the Progressive Party?... It was Theodore Roosevelt. And in the election of 1912 he gained 27% of the vote — that's more than progressives have ever come to."


> "Do you know who chaired the Progressive Party? ...It was Theodore Roosevelt... In the election of 1912 he gained 27% of the vote — that's more than progressives have ever come to."
> "Wait, are you becoming a Marxist? Biden is now— are you supporting a Democrat?"
> "Wait, are you becoming a Marxist? Biden is now— are you supporting a Democrat?"
> "Who said anything about supporting anything? I'll see you at the voting booth, bro."
> "Who said anything about supporting anything? I'll see you at the voting booth, bro."


== The point ==
== The point ==
TR's Bull Moose run is the standing proof that '''third parties with real class content can score''', against the "third parties never win" deflection — and the exchange shows Haz's debate method: concede nothing, flip the opponent's authorities, keep the frame ([[Andrew Jackson]], [[New Deal]]).
TR's Bull Moose run is the standing rebuttal to "third parties never win": 27% with real class content. The exchange also shows the debate method flip the opponent's own authorities, concede nothing, keep the frame ([[Andrew Jackson]], [[New Deal]]).


== See also ==
== See also ==

Revision as of 10:44, 21 August 2026

Teddy Roosevelt shows up in Haz's debate sparring over third-party viability.

Democrat: "Third parties — they haven't won anything." Haz: "Do you know who chaired the Progressive Party?... It was Theodore Roosevelt. And in the election of 1912 he gained 27% of the vote — that's more than progressives have ever come to."

> "Wait, are you becoming a Marxist? Biden is now— are you supporting a Democrat?" > "Who said anything about supporting anything? I'll see you at the voting booth, bro."

The point

TR's Bull Moose run is the standing rebuttal to "third parties never win": 27% with real class content. The exchange also shows the debate method — flip the opponent's own authorities, concede nothing, keep the frame (Andrew Jackson, New Deal).

See also

References