Jump to content

Neo-Conservatism is Trotskyism: Difference between revisions

From InfraWiki
Created/expanded by automated agent (ComradeBanana task)
Created/expanded by automated agent (ComradeBanana task)
 
Line 1: Line 1:
'''"Neo-Conservatism is Trotskyism"''' is the genealogical claim Haz Al-Din wields in debates: that neoconservatism is permanent revolution secularized — the same structure of endless ideological war, wearing different clothes.
"'''"Neo-conservatism is Trotskyism"''' permanent revolution secularized: endless ideological war wearing different clothes.


== The claim in context ==
== From the streams ==
Infrared's debates with groypers and rightists repeatedly hit the neocon question. Haz's usage:
* The Iraq coalition as factional project ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]: France not on board, "freedom fries") — neocons as a network with its own eschatology, distinct from American interests.
* The Iraq War coalition ("France was not on board... freedom fries") is treated as a '''factional project''' distinct from American interests — the neocons as a network with its own eschatology ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]).
* The DeSantis fusion ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/3210a2c9-0c8c-406c-b838-1f5873805d71/ MAJOR VICTORY | COOKING GROYPERS stream]): "Anti-woke plus neoconservatism that was DeSantis... bourgeois retirees who combined Christian nationalist anti-woke sentiment with neoconservative aggressive foreign military agendas." (Trump absorbed and transformed the brand after January '24.)
* The DeSantis brand is diagnosed as its fusion with the culture war: "anti-woke plus neoconservatism — that was DeSantis... disgusting bourgeois retirees who combined Christian nationalist anti-woke sentiment with neoconservative aggressive foreign military agendas" ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/3210a2c9-0c8c-406c-b838-1f5873805d71/ MAJOR VICTORY | COOKING GROYPERS stream]) — with Haz noting Trump absorbed and transformed this brand after January '24.
* Trotskyism itself dismissed on the merits ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/01b75999-cac8-4153-b7fe-53ddacd54b59/ FBI AFTER ME! stream]): "We know what Trotskyism looks like. It's a dead end. I see nothing to debate about. Why should I be a Trotskyist? The burden is on you." And the bureaucracy question redirected: only the ML tradition (Mao's Cultural Revolution) developed a real answer to bureaucratic state machines — not the permanent-faction tradition.
* The Trotsky genealogy: the intellectual migration (Kristol, Burnham, Shachtman — ex-Trotskyists to Cold War liberalism) shows the '''structure''' persisting across labels: a vanguard of pure idea, permanent war against the "reactionary" world, revolution exported by force. Permanent revolution minus the proletariat.
 
== The polemical point ==
The equation serves Infrared's method: judge movements by their '''social content and actual operations''', never their vocabulary ([[Anglo Box]]). Trotskyism itself Haz dismisses as a dead end on the merits — "we know what Trotskyism looks like. It's a dead end... Why should I be a Trotskyist? The burden is on you" ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/01b75999-cac8-4153-b7fe-53ddacd54b59/ FBI AFTER ME! stream]) — and its bureaucratic-fight critique he redirects: only the ML tradition (Mao's Cultural Revolution) developed a real answer to bureaucracy, not the permanent-faction tradition.


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Red-Fascism]]
* [[Red-Fascism]]
* [[Woodrow Wilson]]
* [[Anglo Box]]


== References ==
== References ==
<references/>
<references/>


[[Category:Ideology]][[Category:American politics]][[Category:Infrared]]
[[Category:Ideology]][[Category:American politics]][[Category:Imperialism]]

Latest revision as of 11:00, 21 August 2026

""Neo-conservatism is Trotskyism" — permanent revolution secularized: endless ideological war wearing different clothes.

From the streams

  • The Iraq coalition as factional project (TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream: France not on board, "freedom fries") — neocons as a network with its own eschatology, distinct from American interests.
  • The DeSantis fusion (MAJOR VICTORY | COOKING GROYPERS stream): "Anti-woke plus neoconservatism — that was DeSantis... bourgeois retirees who combined Christian nationalist anti-woke sentiment with neoconservative aggressive foreign military agendas." (Trump absorbed and transformed the brand after January '24.)
  • Trotskyism itself dismissed on the merits (FBI AFTER ME! stream): "We know what Trotskyism looks like. It's a dead end. I see nothing to debate about. Why should I be a Trotskyist? The burden is on you." And the bureaucracy question redirected: only the ML tradition (Mao's Cultural Revolution) developed a real answer to bureaucratic state machines — not the permanent-faction tradition.

See also

References