Peace Talks: US-China Relations
TOPIC: How to avoid hot war between the US & China, and see a productive future for US-China relations.
Chris Helali of the Party of Communists USA
Caleb Maupin of theCenter for Political Innovation
Mike Ter Maat, Presidential Candidate for the Libertarian Party
Jorge Besada of the Liberty Speaks podcast
Nick Brana of the The People's Party
Erobos Abzu Lamashtu of the The People's Party
William Jones of the Executive Intelligence Review
Frank S. with the LaRouche Youth Movement, sitting in for Cade Levinson, The LaRouche Organization who was unable to appear
Dr. Irene Mavrakakis, Christian Caucus of the Libertarian Party
Daniel Burke, The LaRouche Organization
Mike Ter Maat claims that the American economy is very strong
Chris Helali counters Mike's claim that America is the top
Nick Brana talking about genetically engineered superviruses
William Jones responds to someone's mention of Deng Xiaoping, Jones claims that Deng learned from the American system, inspired by Singapore and Japan
Daniel Burke reading out a question from Ambassador Chas Friedman about a hot war can be prevented between the US and China on the question of Taiwan. William Jones of the Executive Intelligence Review answers by going through the history of the One China Policy agreement between the USA and China.
The United States created the Taiwan Independence Movement, similar to what the CIA did in Tibet, with the Tibet Program.
In 2014 there was a suspicious colour revolution in Taiwan to bring in a pro-Independence government.
William makes comparison to how Britain sought to divide the United States by supporting the Confederacy against the Union.
Nick Brana compares U.S. aggression against Taiwan to NATO expansion towards Russia's borders, which has now led to the current conflict in Ukraine. Nick also proposes that we slash the military budget which is over a trillion dollars per year.
We could abolish homelessness and poverty in the United States with that budget.
Caleb Maupin of the Center for Political Innovation offers some historical context, beginning with China's Century of Humiliation, which was enforced through colonial divide-and-conquer strategy, not dissimilar from the U.S. Deep State's plan to divide modern China.
Unification leads to economic growth. Zbigniew Brzezinski knew that in order to conquer Eurasia, it must be divided politically.
The U.S. stoked the Tibet Civil War.
The U.S. stoked the Xinjiang conflict by supporting islamist extremists such as the ETIM.
If one cares about the people of Taiwan, you wouldn't want it to become the next Ukraine. That's what the U.S. is trying to do.
If we do business with a strong unified China, that could be very profitable. This isn't a zero sum game. We can have win-win cooperation. We need joint technology ventures.
Mike ter Maat agrees that NATO expansion has indeed contributed to conflicts in the region, claims that others have misdiagnosed problems and solutions.
"I don't think we should be excusing the Russians for overrunning Ukraine" (verify the exact language … chat help me out)
Mike brings up American corporate interests in Taiwan, yet maintains that the appropriate policy is a hands-off approach (i.e. it's "none of [America's] business")
Mike proposes U.S. withdrawal of military equipment from Taiwan.
Frank S. of the LaRouche Youth Movement discusses how the Taiwanese economy has become deeply intertwined with the mainland.
Erobos of the People's Party argues that the U.S. orientation towards other countries is imperial, but countries are beginning to stand up for themselves.
"America is like Rome but this time with memes and wifi"
Chris agrees with Mike (et al.) that Taiwan is an internal affair of China.
China is not staging its military near the coasts of the USA, but we're right off their territorial waters. This is very obviously a threat to China.
These provocations are profitable to war profiteers. As General Smedly Butler said, "War is a Racket."
Jorge agrees that Taiwan is not worth risking World War III over.
Jorge urges people to find wisdom and faith in humanity that can look past "good vs evil" narratives (Caleb Maupin has spoken about this before, perhaps he'll bring something up)
Jorge cites Mike Pompeo's good vs evil quote which attacks whisteblowers.
Nick Brana urges that the U.S. should help to architect a new international order on a basis of cooperation and economic development (particularly increased standards of living through technology and automation)
Erobos says "without power change is not possible" … quotes Fredrick Douglass "power concedes nothing without a demand"
Caleb argues that China's economic success is not capitalist in nature, but they effectively utilize market mechanisms thanks to the brilliance of Deng Xiaoping. He points out that China's system is called Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, and that a new American system would have to be uniquely American in nature.
Chris emphasizes that the reason we've convened is due to the U.S. provocations against China; whereas China has consistently sought peaceful co-existence. Chris urges that Americans ought to be fighting for family values and fighting for farmers and ranchers and workers, rather than the corrupt oligarchs' tendency to stuff the pockets of industrialists.
Mike closes emphasizing the non-aggression principle pushed by Libertarians.
Jorge finalizes with quotes:
Mises "…it is the main and proper study of every citizen."
Hayek "…high minded idealists…who never recognize the offspring they produce" (find these quotes in full)
Assange "…but I think that's a product of the information they're receiving…" quote about not vilifying one another
William Jones closes by pointing out that the Belt and Road Initiative has reached its 10 year anniversary, and discusses its success.
Frank S. declares that mutually beneficial cooperation is possible between states if they seek to do what's best for their citizens. He calls for "lasting peace between nations"